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Michael Collins, l'eroe dell'indipendenza irlandese

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Michael Collins,uno degli uomini piu' importanti in assoluto di tutta la storia Irlandese.

Un uomo intelligente,forte,buono,leggendario.Scomodo per tanti,sorgente di ispirazione per moltissimi.
Un uomo misterioso? [SM=g27833] Forse si..

Nato a Clonakilty,Co.Cork,nel 1890,il piu piccolo di 8 fratelli,grande sportivo,amante di libri,patriota sin da piccolo grazie all influenza del padre,attivista,politico,grande storico d'Irlanda,morto in un agguato a Beal-na-Blath,(nella sua Contea) nel 1922,dopo esser stato il principale firmatario del trattato del 1922,e aver visto l'esercito britannico marciare fuori dal Castello di Dublino per sempre...
La storia la conosciamo,i suoi meriti,le sue colpe,gli straordinari gesti e gli eventi in cui e'stato protagonista.

Ma i segreti di Michael Collins?

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The Big Fella liked fellas??
Secondo un database di internet,le preferenze sessuali di Michael Collins non erano ben note.

Si dice infatti che nonostante il suo fidanzamento con Kitty Kiernan,il nostro Michael apprezzasse il contatto fisico con altri uomini,e il wrestling.

Era solo un pettegolezzo,o come dice il sito,le sue preferenze erano "a matter of dispute"??

Qui il sito: www.nndb.com/people/360/000098066/
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Posso chiedere come mai questa discussione su Collins??

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Io di questa presunta omo/bisessualità del Big Fella non ne ho mai sentito parlare... ma il suo amante chi sarebbe stato? Harry Boland? De Valera? Arthur Griffith? [SM=g27828]
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Re:

Scritto da: ilconte81 21/03/2006 20.34
Posso chiedere come mai questa discussione su Collins??

Il Conte 81



Forse perche'siamo su un forum dove si parla di Irlanda e di Irlandesi???
E non mi pare ci fosse nessun topic su Micheal e la sua vita.

E questa notizia e' venuta fuori da un sito,e appunto,come dice Donegal,non se ne era mai sentito parlare prima!!

Conte,non capisco quale sia il tuo dubbio,dimmi... [SM=g27833]
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Si dice infatti che nonostante il suo fidanzamento con Kitty Kiernan,il nostro Michael apprezzasse il contatto fisico con altri uomini,e il wrestling



Questa idea viene anche ripresa in "una stella di nome Henry" di Roddy Doyle.
Nonostante sia solo un romanzo, nella bibliografia alla fine del libro c'è anche un riferimento a "Michael Collins" di Tim Pat Coogan, che credo sia uno storico.

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Re: The Big Fella liked fellas??

Scritto da: Shamrock80 20/03/2006 16.48
apprezzasse il contatto fisico con altri uomini,e il wrestling.



Billingham, leggendo questo sto cominciando a preoccuparmi per i tuoi gusti...

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Re: collins

Scritto da: o'benedetti 22/03/2006 13.58

Si dice infatti che nonostante il suo fidanzamento con Kitty Kiernan,il nostro Michael apprezzasse il contatto fisico con altri uomini,e il wrestling



Questa idea viene anche ripresa in "una stella di nome Henry" di Roddy Doyle.
Nonostante sia solo un romanzo, nella bibliografia alla fine del libro c'è anche un riferimento a "Michael Collins" di Tim Pat Coogan, che credo sia uno storico.




Esatto, Coogan è uno storico che ha scritto diversi libri, ho preso quello su Collins ma ancora non l'ho letto...
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Michael Collins and Bloody Sunday
Un lungo e accurato articolo sulla guerra di intelligence, tra i britannici e gli irlandesi, con un'analisi dell'operato di Michael Collins.

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Until Easter Week 1966, the statue of Lord Nelson stood peacefully on its column in Dublin Square. It was blown up on the eve of the 50th anniversary of the Easter Rebellion, which the British had finally subdued on that very spot. Although the figurative decapitation of the hero of Trafalgar made the front page of The New York Times, the event was but a footnote to history, recalling one of the most newsworthy stories of the early 1900's, The Irish Revolt.

For nearly four hundred years prior to the Easter Rebellion of 1916, Irish nationalists had been fighting British colonialism without success. The most striking difference between the Easter Rebellion and the uprisings of the past was that this new Irish revolt occurred at a most unpropitious moment for the British. The war against Germany had strained and exhausted the economy of Great Britain. Resources to arrest the growing insurgency in Ireland were not available.

Despite the disruptive effects of World War I on Great Britain, it would have been unrealistic, even in the land of the leprechaun, for the Irish to expect to defeat by conventional military tactics the world's foremost military power. In fact, most of the leaders of the Irish nationalists felt that the opportunity for success rested squarely on their capability to exploit Great Britain's lack of will to continue a costly and domestically unpopular war. Their eventual success in doing so constitutes a classic example of the effectiveness of unconventional warfare in forcing a powerful adversary to the negotiating table.(1) The Irish intelligence service was one of the architects of the victory.

The Director of Intelligence of the Irish Republican Army during the last act of the drama was Michael Collins, already a legendary figure when he was appointed in the summer of 1919. He had been in the movement since early 1916, and had earned the cachet attached to deportation and imprisonment for a year in a British jail. By 1919, the Crown was offering £10,000 in rewards for Collins "dead or alive."

Despite this tempting offer and hard times in Ireland, very few dared to offer assistance which would aid the British in capturing him. The few, who were tempted met a quick end. The familiar IRA calling card found on the bodies of informers, "Convicted Spy Executed by Order of the IRA," proved to be a sufficient deterrent. Frequently, informers were tried in absentia. It is sufficient to recall Collins' remark regarding the accused to guess at the outcome of these trials: "For the future the rule should be guilty until proven innocent."

Collins has often been described by both friends and foes as a coldblooded character. His remarks after the bloody execution of a number of British intelligence officers and informants bring out this aspect of his character.

My one intention was the destruction of the undesirables who continued to make miserable the lives of ordinary decent citizens.
I have proof enough to assure myself of the atrocities which this gang of spies and informers have committed. Perjury and torture are words too easily known to them. If I had a second motive it was no more than a feeling such as I might have for a dangerous reptile.
By their destruction the very air is made sweeter. That should be the future's judgment on this particular event. For myself, my conscience is clear. There is no crime in detecting and destroying, in war-time, the spy and the informer. They have destroyed without trial. I have paid them back in their own coin.(2)

Although informers were dealt with ruthlessly, Collins came close to capture a number of times. On one occasion a Black and Tan(3) a raiding party besieged a house where Collins was present. He calmly walked down the stairs, brushed the intruders aside, and bolted out the door before they knew what had happened.

Soon after this incident, Collins had a master builder named Batt O'Connor construct a secret room, with sleeping quarters, on the same premises. O'Connor succeeded so well that the next time the Black and Tans staged a raid, Collins was able to continue a meeting then in progress without interruption.

The Collins Organization
Collins surrounded himself with a small group of counterintelligence operatives-soon labelled the Inner Circle-who directed the nenetration of various British installations. Their network eventually extended from Ireland to America, England, and Egypt. It penetrated prisons, postal facilities, and government departments from the British headquarters in Dublin Castle to Whitehall itself. Sympathetic postal officials in London, Dublin and generally throughout all of Ireland, enabled the Irish service to intercept, and decode many of the oppositions' cipher messages.

Recognizing the need to compile information on their opposition, the Inner Circle very early in the struggle established a central records center, eventually called the Brain Center, within 200 yards of Dublin Castle. A lawyer's office provided the cover, and although its unusual clientele increased in number, this dual-purpose establishment went undetected.

Presumably the IIS established its "Brain Center" so dangerously close to Dublin Castle to hasten the dissemination of reports received from Broy, Kavanagh, Neligan and MacNamara, all trusted employees of the British, but agents of the IIS. This records center contained dossiers on personalities of security or operational interest including military leaders and government officials, as well as captured and stolen documents and extensive ciphering and deciphering material.

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Copio e incollo un intervento di jay.ren da un altro topic:



6 giorni fa correva l'84.mo anniversario della morte di Michael Collins, avvenuta il 22 agosto 1922 a Beal na mBlath (the mouth of flowers).

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Beal na mBlath commemoration ceremony to honour hero Collins

The annual Michael Collins commemoration ceremony will take place at Beal na mBlath on Sunday next, August 20, at 3pm at the Ambush site where Michael Collins was shot on August 22, 1922.

This year’s speaker is the Fine Gael Leader, Enda Kenny, who should draw a large crowd to the event. The Millstreet Band will play, as always and the prayers will be recited by retired Archdeacon Michael O’Brien, who has attended the ceremony for the past 40 years.

Fonte: The Corkman
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Copio e incollo un mio intervento da un'altro topic:

"It is my considered opinion that in the fullness of time history will record the greatness of Michael Collins, and it will be recorded at my expense."
Eamon de Valera, President of Ireland, 1966

Il discorso celebrativo tenuto la scorsa domenica: Link

Il racconto di Beal na mBlath: Link

On 12 August 1922, Arthur Griffith died of a massive hemorrhage. He had never recovered from the strain of the Treaty negotiations.
Eight days later, though ill with the stomach trouble that had plagued him for several months and suffering from a bad cold, Michael Collins left on a mission to visit troops in his home county of Cork. Warned not to go, he told his companion, "They wouldn't shoot me in my own county." As before, the words proved prophetic. Depressed and ill, he set out, some say, to try to end the fighting. At any rate, he visited several anti-Treaty men as well as inspecting various barracks. On the last day of his life, 22 August 1922, he set out from Cork in a convoy that passed through Bandon, Clonakilty, and Rosscarbery on its way to Skibbereen. He stopped at Woodfield, and there in the Four Alls, the pub situated across the road from the house where his mother had been born, he stood his family and escort to the local brew--Clonakilty Wrastler. On the return trip they again passed through Bandon. Michael Collins had only twenty minutes more to live. Around eight o'clock, his convoy was ambushed at a place known as Beal na mBlath--the mouth of flowers. Only one man was killed--Michael Collins. It is thought that Irregulars did the shooting, but some say that it might have been his own men. To this day, there is controversy about what actually happened.

Stunned that anything could have happened to 'the Big Fellow' whose fame was, by now, legendary, Collins' men brought his body back to Cork where it was shipped to Dublin. His body lay in state for three days in the rotunda. The Belfast-born painter, Sir John Lavery, painted Collins in death, as he had in life. Tens of thousands filed past his casket to pay their respects, and even more lined the Dublin streets as the cortege made its way to Glasnevin for the burial.

There have been many famous Irish patriots before him, and a few since, but none conjures up as much emotion and mystery as the man who, in a span of six short years, brought a country from bondage to a position where she could win her freedom. There are few left alive who remember Michael Collins, but his shape looms large on the Irish horizon.

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