Collusion is not an illusion

it is a State murder

Così recita un murale a Belfast.
E se n'è avuta la conferma dal rapporto pubblicato in questi giorni, redatto da un organismo indipendente.
Sono state verificate le prove di numerosi omicidi settari in Irlanda del Nord, trovando collusioni in 74 dei 76 omicidi analizzati, tra cui la bomba di Dublino e Monaghan e l'omicidio dei membri della Miami Showband.

Notizia da Let >>

Il rapporto, in inglese e di 115 pagine, è scaricabile da Let >>

Murale a Whiterock, Belfast



Murale ad Ardoyne, Belfast

Da Ireland.com

Report details RUC-loyalist collusion

Special Branch officers colluded with UVF gang members responsible for many murders in Belfast during the 1990s, according to a report compiled by Police Ombudsman Nuala O'Loan.

The report, Operation Ballast, was initiated following representations by Mr Raymond McCord, father of Raymond McCord jnr, who was murdered in 1997 allegedly on the orders of UVF Mount Vernon leader Mark Haddock, who is currently serving 10 years for the grievous bodily harm of Trevor Gowdy, a doorman at a social club in Monkstown, near Belfast in 2002.

The investigation was widened to examine circumstances surrounding ten murders and ten attempted murders during the 1990s.

Senior RUC officers are understood to have been implicated in the scandal, and the British government is bracing itself for an uproar over how a state agency allowed a terrorist unit to kill Catholics and Protestants.

According to the report, a number of senior officers, including two retired Assistant Chief Constables, seven Detective Chief Superintendents and two Detective Superintendents refused to provide an explanation of Special Branch and CID internal practices during the period in question.

The report found that others, including some serving officers, gave "evasive, contradictory, and on occasion farcical answers to questions."

"On other occasions the investigation demonstrated conclusively that what an officer had told the Police Ombudsman's investigators was completely untrue," the report said.

However, although files have been sent to the DPP following the investigation, codenamed Operation Ballast, it is understood a recommendation has been made that no charges should be brought against any officers.

The report is understood includes a series of recommendations on the handling of agents in an attempt to strengthen public confidence in the police.

Mrs O'Loan has delivered a dossier, naming Special Branch and CID officers as well as the UVF agents they ran, to the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland Peter Hain and PSNI Chief Constable Sir Hugh Orde.

The Ombudsman's case stretches back to the murder of Catholic taxi driver Sharon McKenna (27) in January 1993.

Mrs O'Loan's staff have also investigated other killings, including the shooting in 2000 of loyalist Tommy English during a paramilitary feud, and Presbyterian Church Minister David Templeton, who died after being beaten at his home in 1997.

Secretary of State for Northern Ireland Peter Hain acknowledged this morning that the report would make "extremely uncomfortable reading" but insisted that policing in Northern Ireland had now changed.

"These things - murder, collusion, cover-up, obstruction of investigations - could not happen today, not least because of the accountability mechanisms that have been put in place over recent years," he told the BBC Radio 4 Todayprogramme.

He warned that the report could lead to charges being brought against those involved. "That is a matter for the Public Prosecution Service of Northern Ireland, it is a matter for the Chief Constable and it is a matter for his historic inquiries team," he said.

"There are all sorts of opportunities for prosecutions to follow," he added.

The fact that some retired police officers obstructed the investigation and refused to co-operate with the Police Ombudsman is very serious in itself.

"There will be consequences for those involved and it is a matter for the relevant bodies to take up."

Sinn Féin's chief negotiator, Martin McGuinness claimed the report would make a powerful contribution to the policing debate.

"It raises the question about how many more areas were affected, and how many more people were murdered by elements effectively within the RUC and British intelligence," he said.

"This is the lid coming off the can of worms, and Raymond McCord has done our community a great service."

Mr McGuinness added that it would have major implications for Sir Hugh and the British government, and he expressed concern that those involved may escape prosecution.

beh...l'abbiamo sempre saputo.....questo e solamente l'inizio.....poi cmq Sinn Fein che ci chiedano di accettare il RUC/PSNI e una cosa inaccettabile....per anni ci hanno ammazzati e nn possiamo accettare il RUC perche sono una forza inglese in un paese irlandese......vediamo che succedde domenica....vi faro sapere appena posso dopo il voto (dove io voterò di NO!!!!)

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Scritto da: omagh 23/01/2007 21.10
beh...l'abbiamo sempre saputo.....questo e solamente l'inizio.....poi cmq Sinn Fein che ci chiedano di accettare il RUC/PSNI e una cosa inaccettabile....per anni ci hanno ammazzati e nn possiamo accettare il RUC perche sono una forza inglese in un paese irlandese......vediamo che succedde domenica....vi faro sapere appena posso dopo il voto (dove io voterò di NO!!!!)

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Non pensi che l'Ard Fheis sia stato indetto perché la leadership è già sicura dell'esito del voto?

So che quello che vi chiedono è un'abominio. E' la stessa cosa che ho sentito dire da chiunque durante l'ultimo, purtroppo breve, viaggio a Belfast.

R

beh....al momento siamo divisi in 2....noi che votiamo di no (incirca al 85%) e i si ......nenache OSF voterano di si.....gurada.....

Ógra Shinn Féin National Congress held an extraordinary meeting this weekend to discuss the Sinn Féin Ard Chomhairle initiative on policing.

The Congress passed a motion setting out a revolutionary new model of policing with radical changes in structure and practice and called on all Ógra members to vote against the Ard Chomhairle motion at the Extraordinary Ard Fheis next Sunday.

The Congress also urged republicans to remain united and said that they will respect whatever decision is taken by the party’s Ard Fheis next weekend.

Speaking following the meeting head of Ógra Shinn Féin Barry McColgan said:

“The issue of policing is absolutely huge for republican activists, our communities and support base and any decision taken on policing will have wide ranging implications for republicanism as a whole.

“Ógra Shinn Féin’s position from it’s inception since 1997 has always opposed the brutal, sectarian state militia, that passed for a police force in the north. It was Ógra who spearheaded the ‘Disband the RUC’ campaign, it was Ógra who called on young people not to join in a re-packaged RUC - the PSNI and it was Ógra who last year were shouting from the rooftops, literally, to ‘smash political policing’.

“The motion passed at this weekends National Congress sets out a revolutionary new model of policing with radical changes in structure and practice. It calls for the formation of municipal policing which is locally accountable at district council level, decentralising power away from the state. It is about decoupling the state from policing.

“It is important that next weekend there is a healthy, comradely debate and that whatever decision is taken that we remain united.”
Ógra policing policy

Introduction

The history of policing in Ireland is one of oppression and tyranny, especially when directed at Republicans; it is a record of police forces rather than police services. If Republicans are to support, engage or endorse a police service in the 6 Counties, even in a critical way, it must do so in a way that enhances and protects our communities, advances the struggle and does not stifle or impede progress towards the Republic.
Ógra recognises that policing will never provide an ideal service, but we must strive for as perfect a police service as possible. The PSNI, as currently constituted, do not represent a service that is anywhere near perfect, nor does it have the in-built ability to change to make it adequate to Republicans.

The case against the PSNI

The primary functions of the PSNI are twofold; firstly to enforce law and order, and secondly to uphold the six county statelet. At present, the law and order that is being upheld by the PSNI is that of the British state operating in Ireland. Laws passed in Westminster are enforced and enacted in Ireland, a foreign rule of law enforced by a locally recruited militia. However, in a scenario whereby the 6 county assembly is up and running and that all powers are fully devolved, the PSNI would therefore be enforcing laws decided upon by Irish people, in Ireland, representing Irish people. For as long as partition exists, this will remain imperfect, though it does remove the British aspect from the laws being enforced.
However, the second primary function of the upholding of the statelet remains a barrier to the acceptability of the PSNI. This is the barrier, which is ideological, practical and strategic, that Republicans, as revolutionaries, must overcome. We must therefore decide whether we are going to support and endorse a force that actively works against our objectives, or to approach the issue of policing in a progressive way, not limiting ourselves to the staid old model of a monolithic police force.

Alternative Structures

We are proposing that for a new beginning to policing, there is a need for a truly new police service, not merely a renamed and repackaged RUC. We recognise that our communities need and deserve a police service that will truly serve them and protect them from those that seek to damage and harm them. We also recognise that any new structures must be fully acceptable to all those communities living in the 6 counties, whether they be loyalist, unionist, nationalist, republican or from the various other ethnic and religious communities that reside in Ireland today. To this end all these new services must be apolitical and impartial.
The model that we are proposing is to have a municipal police service, answerable to the 7 new super councils, that are responsible for the enforcement of civic and criminal law within their areas. These new police services would have no role in intelligence gathering, counter insurgency, riot control or any other political type policing other than that that constitutes a criminal offence. Overall responsibility for the running and maintenance, in terms of financing and equipping, of the municipal police services would rest with the devolved department for policing and justice. These new police would be responsible for enforcing only those laws that are passed by the devolved administration or the local council that fit the criteria previously outlined.

It is naïve to think that the British would leave their colony in Ireland without any form of colonial police force to enforce their rule and their law, therefore the PSNI/RUC would be likely to exist on a statelet wide level. We could continue to oppose their existence, their right to enforce British laws in Ireland, their political policing and dissuade our supporters from engaging or cooperating with them, while also holding them publicly to account through a policing board where, by not endorsing them, we can truly break them and expose their activities.

This would mean that there would exist a multi tiered policing structure within the 6 counties similar to that of many continental countries. For example, in Spain there exist a number of police forces and services at municipal, provincial and national level. At the national level, the Guardia Civil act as a paramilitary police force, suppressing, for example, our comrades in the Basque country, but as the area of responsibility declines, so the acceptability of the service increases to the people.

The best analogy that currently exists is that of traffic wardens operating in the 6 counties. They are answerable to the local authorities and are responsible for the enforcement of parking and traffic bye laws. While their profession may be disliked the world over, the objection does not come from a political perspective. The laws that they enforce are not in any way politically sensitive and are widely accepted by all. It would be possible to have a service enforcing those laws that are accepted by all decent members of all communities in a just and equal manner.

The all Ireland aspects of the system should be pursued vigorously through the Department of Policing and Justice and justice and policing should be pursued as an area in which a cross border implementation body could operate. This could lead in time to cross border personnel transfer and cooperation between the municipal police forces and the Gardaí. It would also be our preference to see municipal police services operate in the 26 Counties as well.

CRJ and Safer Neighbourhoods

These projects should continue but with greater funding and in cooperation with the new civic municipal police services.

The new service should work in partnership with communities and other groups such as Probation and Welfare Services, Courts Services, Community Groups, Residents Groups, Sporting Groups, Education and Library Boards, Departments of Agriculture, Fisheries, Forestry, Red Cross, RNLI etc. Contact with the PSNI/RUC should be kept to an absolute minimum to gain the maximum amount of community support and confidence and to prevent corruption seeping through.

Recruitment

Recruitment should be carried out initially by the HR department of the new councils in conjunction with the Policing Ombudsman’s office, until the new structures can deal with its own recruitment with full community confidence. Membership numbers and ratios, be they gender, religious or other, should be determined by agreement between the local council and the 6 county policing board.

Those wishing to move from the PSNI/RUC or the Gardaí to one of the new services would require a thorough background check by the ombudsman’s office and approval by the 6 county policing board. All members would be required to take an oath to respect human rights, equality, etc. Former POWs will be subject to the same recruitment standards as all other applicants, their previous record shall have no negative effect upon their application.


Accountability

The new policing services would be held accountable in much the same way as laid out in the Patton report. In addition to the single policing board for the 6 counties, there would also be a local policing board for each district council as a replacement to the DPPs.

They would have a similar makeup to the overall policing board and would perform a similar function for the municipal police as the 6 county policing board performs for the PSNI/RUC at present.

The 6 county policing board would continue on in an oversight role for the municipal services and any police force that may continue on for the 6 counties as a whole. The Ombudsman’s office would continue on as before, though would also be responsible for the municipal services.

Conclusion

Republican support for law and order should not be dependant on the upholding of the British state in Ireland. We feel that the two issues should be completely separate rather than blackmailing the Republican and nationalist communities into supporting the so called ‘national security’ of Britain in Ireland in return for safety and justice for the community.

We believe that the above model provides some answers for providing a more acceptable and better, though not perfect, police service than exists anywhere in Ireland at present. Other issues such as cross border cooperation need to be pursued vigorously by Republicans. Our communities deserve to be policed, but they need a police service, not a police force.

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Ho letto. Stavo inserendo su Les Enfants Terribles la notizia

Però siete 2000 delegati, non poche decine. Ci deve essere un controllo di qualche genere sulla votazione, così come c'è stato un ampio servizio d'ordine ai meeting che si sono tenuti sia a Belfast che a Derry.

Killing The Messenger



Martin Galvin • 21 January 2007

It is said that in ancient times, when news of defeat or calamity was conveyed by runner or rider, monarchs occasionally dealt with news of disaster by killing the messenger. Such a response was obviously misdirected and misguided. Harsh realities would never be made less harsh nor less real by targeting messengers who only brought word of events for which they were in no way responsible. Killing the messenger may be emotionally satisfying momentarily but is never an effective political strategy.

At present, we seem to be witnessing a refinement of this misdirected strategy. Britain's latest terms promulgated at St Andrews have jolted unexpected numbers of Republicans, as if from a Friday the 13th nightmare. Concerned Republicans who risked much and suffered much in the struggle to remove British crown forces and British rule, searched for some means of denying fealty to the British crown constabulary. Some began to speak, organize private meetings and sponsor public debates. Some have urged prominent Republicans to take an unsought stand as candidates as a way of allowing others to vote no against the British RUC-PSNI. The initial response is apparently an orchestrated campaign to kill the candidate messengers by character assassination, misrepresentation or intimidation.

TYRONE

One early target of such tactics has been Gerry McGeough. It is easy to understand why Republicans in Tyrone might look to him. A very close friend of this columnist, Liam Ryan, who was himself murdered by loyalists in collusion with the RUC, spoke of Gerry McGeough in a category with Jim Lynagh and Pete Ryan. Those familiar with the war in Tyrone will recognize that there is no possible higher praise for any IRA volunteer in this or any previous generation, nor any more impeccable judge.

It is a matter of public record that Gerry McGeough was given exclusion orders from England for suspected IRA activity, jailed in a German isolation dungeon after a series of IRA attacks on British troops in Holland and Germany had successfully forced thousands of such troopers to be confined to barracks in fear, then extradited to America where he was jailed for conspiracy to obtain arms including SAM missiles for the IRA. McGeough's book, DEFENDERS, bespeaks a detailed knowledge of IRA ambushes, methods and tactics in Tyrone which would be impossible to gather except by inside first- hand experience.

He was appointed to serve as a Sinn Fein leader in Tyrone during the1981 Hunger Strike campaign, in which one of the patriot martyrs was his fellow Tyrone man Martin Hurson. Following his return to Ireland from an American prison, McGeough would be elected to the Sinn Fein Ard Comhairle, after an electrifying Ard Fheis speech in which he opposed biting the bullet of decommissioning.

Gerry McGeough was then sidelined, undermined and resigned after being forced to choose between party advancement and his Republican principles. These actions were undertaken with a good deal of tactical foresight. McGeough's voice, as those who heard him last week in Derry will attest, would not have been well received by anyone asking support for the RUC-PSNI either at the recent Ard Comhairle meeting or at the upcoming special Ard Fheis scheduled at that meeting.

The identical attack on Gerry McGeough has appeared in two Irish- American newspapers with direct sources in Sinn Fein. A discredited piece of gutter journalism has been retrieved from the trash bin where it had been long ago consigned. The writer cited did not trouble himself to interview Mr. McGeough before fabricating fictional quotes for print in a much sued scandal sheet. One paper added a quote from a pro-Sinn Fein connection that Gerry McGeough is "not a Republican. " Being a Republican once meant adherence to a 32 county Irish Republic free of British rule imposed by British crown forces and governed in accordance with the principles of liberty, equality and religious freedom enshrined in the 1916 Easter Proclamation. What more would be required of Gerry McGeough before he might qualify? What re-branding of Republicanism would cover backers of the RUC-PSNI within its mantel while excluding those who oppose British crown forces?

LOYALTY

Another group targeted for this kill the messenger strategy, were Sinn Fein representatives including Geraldine Dougan and Davy Hyland who were cast aside as Sinn Fein candidates apparently because they could not stomach an endorsement of the RUC-PSNI. These representatives are being publicly pilloried in the Andersonstown News and elsewhere. It is now being gossiped that such representatives only objected to the RUC-PSNI after their removal as candidates.

This is another insidious form of character assassination. The charge is that such individuals did not really hold strong principled objections against backing the crown constabulary but were jumping ship because the party preferred others to them as candidates. The implication is that such individuals were never committed Republicans who unselfishly dedicated themselves to the party until forced to take a stand as a matter of principle. The implication is that any and all such individuals were careerists.

In fact any sincere loyal party member would have voiced objections to endorsing the crown constabulary long and hard within the party structure before considering going public. A loyal Sinn Fein member would raise principled objections internally, hoping to bring the party back to its Republican course. Both Davy Hyland and Geraldine Dougan have said that they kept their objections within the party until a formal RUC-PSNI endorsement made staying silent impossible.

Their very loyalty is now being twisted to malign their character, commitment and patriotism merely because they are elected representatives who might be asked to stand as independent Republicans fighting for the very same Republican beliefs which had once led them to join Sinn Fein.

DEFY

A more blunt form of this kill the messenger policy was made public by two more respected Republican icons, Brendan Hughes and John Kelly. Brendan Hughes is of course a legendary figure within Belfast Brigade, and leader of the 1980 hunger strike. John Kelly was a founding member and veteran leader of the Provisional IRA, and a former elected Sinn Fein representative.

Both men published a joint letter in the Irish News denouncing a strategy of threat against Republicans seeking to meet and question the issue of giving fealty to the RUC-PSNI.

It is profoundly sad that these former IRA leaders, who volunteered because of their patriotic determination to resist British rule and the British crown constabulary who inflicted violence and intimidation, would find themselves duty bound to stand against friends who are acting to silence opposition to the RUC-PSNI. Some have argued that if sanctioning the RUC-PSNI is good enough for Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness their stature should override all doubts. Others would retort that the vehement opposition of Republicans of the credentials of Brendan Hughes and John Kelly should prove those saying no to the re-named RUC are right without a doubt.

It is also now being reported that the courageous Peggy O'Hara, may be asked to stand as a candidate. In a simple but eloquent statement she said that she was forced to watch her beloved son Patsy taken and beaten by the RUC, railroaded by RUC perjury in a crown Diplock court, tortured in the H-blocks of Long Kesh because he would not accept criminalization and endure a hunger strike to the death. Now, after an anniversary year of commemorations in which public tributes were paid to Patsy and nine other patriot martyrs, Mrs. O'Hara believes that the principles for which he and his companions died are being betrayed by a call to back the RUC-PSNI, British crown courts, and criminalization, which jailed, tortured and killed them. Mrs. O'Hara believes she could not betray her son by being silent. Hopefully, no one will be so lacking in decency and dignity as to stoop to invent some nonsense to malign this great lady.

FOR OR AGAINST

Perhaps the most defamatory of all the slanders touted to dismiss any and all Republican voices raised against the RUC-PSNI, is the nonsense that they are only against Sinn Fein and the leadership. The implication is that such opposition is somehow driven by petty personal dislikes or generalized no matter what strategy is pursued by the party.

Look at those speaking. How many of those like Brendan Hughes, Gerry McGeough, John Kelly, Laurence O'Neill, Paul McGlinchey, Tony Catney and so many others, volunteered years of their lives in the fight, spent years in jail, saw friends and family murdered, but continued to make untold sacrifices because of loyalty to the struggle and to the leadership. One can only imagine what it was like for someone like Brendan Hughes to question, then doubt, then break with and publicly stand against Gerry Adams. It has been heart breaking for many Republicans to walk away from those they trusted, fought alongside, were jailed alongside, and befriended. Many were shunned, threatened or slandered. They did not take such a stand because of petty quarrels, dislikes or careerism. They do not seek to block the party's advance but rather to rescue them from a British trap. They are not against the party or party leaders but loyal above all to the struggle and its objective of Irish national freedom. They believe that endorsing the RUC-PSNI would be a disastrous mistake which will set back the struggle and prolong British rule in the north. They are Republicans and many say that it has been taken far more courage, and a more profound commitment to try to pull the Republican community back from the brink of an irreversible final descent into Britain's long pursued strategic goals of Ulsterization, normalization and criminalization, than anything else they have ever done.

The Republican community deserves better than a strategy of killing the messenger, by distorting their views, mischaracterizing their motives or silencing them by threats. These Republicans are messengers reflecting the profound anger and indignation at any embrace of the RUC-PSNI crown constabulary. Targeting these messengers will not make those facts any less harsh or less real. It is only a confession of weakness.

RETREAT

Meanwhile the party took two other steps which appeared to signal tacit acknowledgements of defeat in the debate within the Republican community and a withdrawal or consolidation within party circles. After participating in the debates in Belfast, and Toome the party sent excuses to a packed hall at the Tower Hotel in Derry. No one from the many party representatives in Derry would represent the party in the debate. They were unable to attend, because of the party's "ongoing responsibility to facilitate an intensive programme of discussion and engagement with the wider nationalist and Republican community". To those in attendance, the party seemed to be saying that it was too busy with discussions and debates within the wider nationalist and Republican community, to spare anyone to speak at discussions and debates. Many in attendance judged that the party's backing for the RUC-PSNI would have been indefensible by Declan Kearney or any Derry representative in a fair and open debate. The party recognized it had lost at Conway Mill and Toome and decided to cut its losses. Better to boycott and say it was unimportant because we were not there and leave some uncertainty about the outcome then to participate and end all doubts.

In reality the party seemed to be retreating from actual debates which gifted them with an opportunity to reassure doubters, challenge opponents and answer genuine questions in a convenient venue with a dignified format and impartial chair. Instead the party would only attend its own meetings, where outside speakers and questioners could be controlled. These could then be portrayed as debates rather than controlled and stage-managed party meetings.

The second step was a public invitation from Gerry Adams to meet with both political and military groups opposed to the RUC-PSNI endorsement. It is a general rule that genuine invitations for dialogue are communicated privately, through established channels. Public invitations extended through the media are intended for public relations and media consumption. Most of the invitees have interpreted the invitation in this fashion and rejected it as a cosmetic exercise, intended to give the appearance of willingness to engage in genuine dialogue, while retreating from real debates which would actually provide such a dialogue.

The invitation raised some intriguing and ironic issues. First it would be hard to imagine leaders of any Republican military organization revealing themselves to party members who are pledging full cooperation with the RUC-PSNI.

Political organizations might well have chosen to release a public response asking whether such a dialogue would be without a pre-determined outcome. If Sinn Fein seeks to convince other Republicans to endorse the crown constabulary, is it open to consider and possibly be convinced by the arguments against such an endorsement? Would the party be free to reject such an endorsement or is it not bound by its pledges to the British?

The invitation mentioned Republican prisoners and conditions at Maghaberry. Does the party accept that Republican prisoners are political prisoners who should not be subject to a British policy of criminalization nor subjected to repressive measures to enforce criminalization?

Other questions might include what full cooperation with the RUC-PSNI might entail, whether the endorsement betokens an acceptance of all collusion murders including those involving current members of the RUC-PSNI, whether the use of Diplock courts upon request by crown prosecutors will mean all cases involving Republicans, and most central how would endorsement of British crown constabulary not copper fasten British rule, and make the party a crown force recruiter. Any future invitation by press release might well be answered, with a public response outlining such questions.

With questions like these to be answered it will likely be far better to proceed by personal invective against the character and bona fides of the messengers of opposition than by actually engaging them in a fair, public and open Republican debate.


su ogni forum il 80% incirca dei SF sostenatore dicono di no, e molti dei miei amici (sempre come me votatore nel Ard Fheis) diciamo di no.....nn penso che sara facile, ne un si semplice.....il RUC e sempre stato il nemico....da 30 anni sono stata insegnata che nn gli dovevo accttare per nessun motivo.....adesso gli dobbiamo accettare? Gli avrebbo accettati tutti i morti per il collusion?.......

from my private collection

uffa nn va......proviamo cosi.....

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Ce l'ho

Molto bella

bello no......siamo in tanti che diciamo di no....piu o meno sono i Belfasters che diranno di si.....sperano sempre che nn siamo allontanti dal paritio perche diciamo di no.....come e gia successo in questi giorni.....vediamo che succedde domenica vi faro sapere appena posso dopo il voto....

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Scritto da: omagh 23/01/2007 21.57
vediamo che succedde domenica vi faro sapere appena posso dopo il voto....

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Mi raccomando tienici aggiornati.

E mi ri-raccomando.

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Scritto da: scottishflag 23/01/2007 22.02


Mi raccomando tienici aggiornati.

E mi ri-raccomando.

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don't worry.....mi connettero con il telefonino asap....speriamo che vada bene.....dopo tutto cio che ho passato personalmente alle mani del RUC nn potro mai sostenire un partito che sostene un gruppo, legale, di fascisti che prendano di mira i cattolici e li hanno ammazzati, piccati, arrestati e internati per annio senza pietà......

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Scritto da: omagh 23/01/2007 21.57
bello no......siamo in tanti che diciamo di no....piu o meno sono i Belfasters che diranno di si.....sperano sempre che nn siamo allontanti dal paritio perche diciamo di no.....come e gia successo in questi giorni.....vediamo che succedde domenica vi faro sapere appena posso dopo il voto....

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Non volevo offendere. La foto mi ha strappato un sorriso, anche perché ricordo l'originale del poster tenuto in mano dai ragazzi e la "correzione" mi ha lasciato sbigottito.

Dici che siano solo a Belfast i favorevoli alla mozione?

Comunque siamo quasi alla stretta finale...

R

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Scritto da: omagh 23/01/2007 22.07


don't worry.....mi connettero con il telefonino asap....speriamo che vada bene.....

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Many many thanks!

tesoro mica hai offeso!!!!! al momento siamo spaccati in 2....Gerry si sta comportando come un dittatore....quelli che dicono di no apertamente vengano allontanati dal partito.....tanti di noi abbiamo sofferti alle mani del RUC in un modo o l'altro e sta scritto nel GFA che un forza del ordine possa essere accettabile solo quando viene cambiato e questo nn e ancora successo, e cambiato solo il nome....sono cmq contenta che il OSF abbia deciso di votare di no....ero una dei primi nel vecchio Sinn Fein Youth nel 1997.....siamo accettato il GFA con problemi...noi del West Tyrone siamo ormai visti come 'dissedents' :

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Scritto da: omagh 23/01/2007 22.22
Gerry si sta comportando come un dittatore...

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O siete con me o siete contro di me... triste, per un politico che ha vissuto sulla propria pelle la collusione tra la Ruc ed i paramilitari. Che ha trasportato sulle proprie spalle i compagni caduti in battaglia o nello sciopero della fame di 25 anni fa.
Ma quello serve solo a fare cassa, a rimpinguare le casse di un partito che di repubblicano non ha quasi più nulla.

R

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Scritto da: jay.ren 23/01/2007 22.43


O siete con me o siete contro di me... triste, per un politico che ha vissuto sulla propria pelle la collusione tra la Ruc ed i paramilitari. Che ha trasportato sulle proprie spalle i compagni caduti in battaglia o nello sciopero della fame di 25 anni fa.
Ma quello serve solo a fare cassa, a rimpinguare le casse di un partito che di repubblicano non ha quasi più nulla.

R

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ha vissuto molto piu di cio....la cosa e che se nn fosse per noi che l'abbiamo sostenuto nn sarebbe dove sta ora....ci sono molte cose che nn vengono detti da Gerry e Martin e purtroppo dobbiamo essere forte.....noi che crediamo ancora nel libero stato di 32 contee siamo visti come dissidents, mentre loro sono tradditore....

leggi questo

Anthony McIntyre • 19 January 2007

A fool and his money are easily parted. A knave alone would put his earnings on the veracity of the claim that MI5 is not to be involved in civic policing which will be carried out exclusively, we are told, by the PSNI. Think about it. The greatest liar in modern British political history tells the greatest liar in modern Irish political history, "policing is the responsibility solely of the PSNI. The security service will have no role whatsoever in civic policing." What seriously are the chances of the Blair-Adams combination producing something totally alien to the two components that make it up? What odds would you get with a bookie for it? The same probably as you would find were you to place your money on the result of two dogs mating being the birth of a cat.

Yet such a claim is to be pedalled to the Sinn Fein grass roots so that those who compose it can get over any reservations they might harbour towards supporting the PSNI. Gerry Kelly tried pulling this one on them: the police will now be protected from the "malign and corruptive control of MI5… if they act illegally then we have a PSNI which is not signed up to MI5 and which will hold them to account."

To rub salt in the wounds the guarantor of the Adams-Blair arrangement is an arch opponent of civil liberties, Lord Carlile, who supports both Diplock Courts and 90-day detention. He, we are asked to believe, shall scrutinise the role of MI5 and hold it to account. James Connolly's appropriate and prophetic words flood the mind - "ruling by fooling is a great British art with great Irish fools to practice on."

Blair and Adams have sought to hoodwink both the Provisional constituency and the wider nationalist community by blurring the issue. It is not MI5's role in civic policing which is the subject of dispute but the PSNI's role in political policing. No one ever seriously thought that MI5 would be sent to Ireland to pursue people who annoy their neighbours, don't pay car tax or do the double. But the PSNI will most definitely arrest those who extra-legally protest against water charges, as well as republicans who sadly learned from Sinn Fein leaders that violence is a productive form of opposition to the British state.

Moreover, Blair, when pressed, tellingly refused to rule out MI5 involvement in tackling any Provisional Movement activity, or that of Sinn Fein's various republican opponents. Neither did he offer assurances, nor was he asked for any, that both the PSNI and MI5 have pulled all their informers out of Sinn Fein.

In order for Sinn Fein to maintain the sleight of hand it will have to agree with the British that the type of activity Sinn Fein leaders previously ordered young men and women to carry out will now be criminalised so that it may fall under the remit of civic policing. Activities Sinn Fein previously demanded should be rewarded with political status will now have to be termed criminal in order to maintain the fiction of the PSNI as a service engaged exclusively in civic policing. It is happening already as with the Sinn Fein call for the Provisionals involved in the Bobby Tohill incident to hand themselves over to the courts.

Gerry Kelly's wretched handling of the MI5 issue has invited much ridicule from a wide range of people on the streets, journalists and politicians. During the week a friend and shrewd observer of events e mailed me and commented, "that fool Kelly said on TV this week that if MI5 did anything wrong the PSNI now will be able to investigate them." Another veteran republican said, "can you believe the nonsense that spews out of him? The stupidest man in the world is wiser than that fool."

Gerry Kelly has probably been called many things in his life but a fool was never one of them. A number of years ago it was inconceivable that the word 'fool' would have found any space in the lexicon of his critics. Today, however, the frequency of his bizarre public commentary, encapsulated in the exuberant welcome he extended to the Great Liar of London's MI5 statement has ensured that his intellectual credibility is being called into question on a daily basis: "we want MI5 out of Ireland; there's no place for it north or south. This gets us a very major step closer to that." For those who know him it is hard to reconcile the intellectually adept, straight-talking Kelly of the prisons with the inchoate dissembler of today.

Gerry Kelly, throughout the time that I remained friendly with him, was a perceptive and highly intelligent man. Those hoping to win the point against him were wasting their time if they came ill prepared. As well read as he was well versed, Kelly was a formidable adversary in any political or strategic discussion. He can hardly have lost that intellect. He has, however, allowed it to slip into abeyance in deference to the meaningless platitudes of the peace process. This became apparent to me in the spring of 1998 when at a Sinn Fein briefing session he ventured the opinion that the Good Friday Agreement, while not a transition to united Ireland , was a transition to a transition. It was one of my last Sinn Fein meetings.

It is because Gerry Kelly is judicious rather than foolish that it sticks in the craw of many that Ian Paisley jnr has somehow managed to package himself as a cerebral colossus compared to him. Paisley jnr is much more credible when he asserts that Kelly's party had been "sold a pup"; that Blair's words amounted to "a re-statement of the fundamentals set out in Annex E of the St Andrews Agreement". Mark Durkan of the SDLP complemented this, claiming that British minister Paul Goggins "confirmed that MI5 are taking over intelligence policing. He confirmed that it will include domestic terrorism. He confirmed that Nuala O'Loan will not be able to investigate MI5." It is embarrassingly all up in the air when the DUP and the SDLP are telling Sinn Fein members the truth and their own leaders are lying to them.

What really decided the issue for Sinn Fein was an agency but not the spook ensemble the party would have us believe. Borrowing from Tom Luby's wonderful analogy, in what would seem to be yet another side deal between Napoleon Adams and Pilkington Blair, agreement was reached to scrap the Assets Recovery Agency. One paper has reported that this was a move to mollify South Armagh Provisionals. Perhaps, but observers don't have to travel to the hills of South Armagh to see Provisional prosperity. The 'greatest negotiators ever' have ceded all the hard won political ground to MI5 in return for the men of property being allowed to proclaim "what we have we hold." In return the men of property will take their place on platforms throughout the North in the coming days to urge support for the leadership's endorsement of the PSNI. Hypocrisy, as the poet John Milton wrote, is "the only evil that walks invisible."

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Grazie Omagh, stasera grazie a te sto approfondendo un bel pò l'argomento!

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Scritto da: scottishflag 23/01/2007 23.34
Grazie Omagh, stasera grazie a te sto approfondendo un bel pò l'argomento!

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Scritto da: omagh 23/01/2007 23.35



beh ascolti questo pazzo che si e venduto pure lui www.irishnews.com/intv/news20.html

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Bene (insomma, non proprio bene), non sapevo di Martin Mallon.

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Scritto da: scottishflag 23/01/2007 23.54


Bene (insomma, non proprio bene), non sapevo di Martin Mallon.

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beh mi fa ridere perche dici di essere 'a true republican'......se fosse cosi nn accetterei mai una polizia straniero nella sulla terra.....insomma mettiamola cosi....durante la seconda guerra mondiale...in Francia....uno che combattava contro i nazi era un ribelle, un nazionalista, vero? allora se quel stesso ribelle pretendeva che tutti i ribelle come lui accettava i nazi, perche per la pace e la cosa migliore, cosa sarebbe successo????